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The people want the facts

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5 comments:

  • Takea posted at 5:34 pm on Thu, Jan 9, 2014.

    Takea Posts: 8

    Thelma, your “We Say” is just that, another opinion piece. If the people want facts why not do some investigating and give them what they asked for. I’m sure you have looked at or requested the documentation that has led up to the Zinkin Recall. I’ve done some research for you as it relates to sexual harassment.
    From The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission:
    Sexual Harassment
    It is unlawful to harass a person (an applicant or employee) because of that person’s sex. Harassment can include “sexual harassment” or unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical harassment of a sexual nature.
    Harassment does not have to be of a sexual nature, however, and can include offensive remarks about a person’s sex. For example, it is illegal to harass a woman by making offensive comments about women in general.
    Both victim and the harasser can be either a woman or a man, and the victim and harasser can be the same sex.
    Although the law doesn’t prohibit simple teasing, offhand comments, or isolated incidents that are not very serious, harassment is illegal when it is so frequent or severe that it creates a hostile or offensive work environment or when it results in an adverse employment decision (such as the victim being fired or demoted).
    The harasser can be the victim's supervisor, a supervisor in another area, a co-worker, or someone who is not an employee of the employer, such as a client or customer.
    Your comment, “Zinkin is not employed by a private company, he is a town official elected by voters. One might inquire what happens if an elected official is accused of such a thing.” Why don’t you run that question by the EEOC?

     
  • cfox2001 posted at 8:55 am on Thu, Jan 9, 2014.

    cfox2001 Posts: 8

    So when she writes 'Yes.' (NOT quoting the mayor) she is not implying that if someone is simply ACCUSED of such things, a person will be fired? I don't see how that is not 'slothful' at all. It would never happen without due process. Therefore, this writing shades her meaning with a bias against Mr. Zinkin.

     
  • John Flanagan posted at 12:02 pm on Wed, Jan 8, 2014.

    John Flanagan Posts: 347

    In Thelma Grimes' defense, cfox201, it should be noted that she was quoting the words of the mayor himself, and it cannot be considered "slothful" writing to merely report what the subject stated.

     
  • John Flanagan posted at 10:36 am on Wed, Jan 8, 2014.

    John Flanagan Posts: 347

    Excellent article. Fair and balanced reporting on the troubles at Oro Valley Town Hall. In my view, it is not necessarily "political" when police chiefs in a small town take sides with some council members, while disagreeing with others. It boils down to budget issues, limited resources, priorities, and looking out for your own department. It only becomes a problem when there is an unbalanced neglect of other town departments and needs.
    It is necessary for Town leaders, at this point, to take a time out, and get down to the work of managing and compromising on the issues. If Mr Zinkin, as was suggested, tends to speak too bluntly, he will need to do so in a less offensive manner. While directness and honesty are virtues, there is still the need to articulate issues without ruffling feathers.
    In any case, the Town should proceed with the business of governing and if problems cannot be worked out, the voters will have to make future changes in the next election.

     
  • cfox2001 posted at 10:27 am on Wed, Jan 8, 2014.

    cfox2001 Posts: 8

    "Yes. Is the mayor right when he says in a private company someone being accused of such things would likely lose his job? Yes."

    Not without full due-process, Ms. Grimes. Until now, I held you in full respect; please do not shade your editorials with such slothful writing in the future...

     

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